tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post2028443663028256160..comments2023-05-18T10:56:33.126+01:00Comments on Jon Harvey Associates: Police Crime Commissioners: what might be in their manifestosJon Harveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12792245973965010468noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post-56992662690043619642012-02-25T10:43:23.387+00:002012-02-25T10:43:23.387+00:00It is good to see comments about PCC's that do...It is good to see comments about PCC's that does NOT focus on the personality of the individual but on their policies. Jon, you continue to ask difficult questions of potential candidates and hopefully the National press, at some point will see the importance of this. The focus on an evidenced based approach in selecting PCC's is absolutely appropriate. I think people should also think carefully about how a PCC's policies may directly impact on operational delivery. Some chiefs (and political rhetoric) may still believe that they are solely in 'operational' control, but I think this is quite nieve - and even now is not always the case. With the need for PCC's to be re-elected Chiefs and their top teams will have to have an even closer handle on operational independence and political inquisitiveness. I predict the retirement of a number of current policing leaders who will find this new system unpalatable. Some may see this as a good thing - but a loss of experience, particularly in the complex world of policing, is not good for any system of law enforcement.Dr Mark Kilgallonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post-39424162331630914402011-08-29T11:58:48.522+01:002011-08-29T11:58:48.522+01:00My response to Huw's comments:
- I agree, PCC...My response to Huw's comments:<br /><br />- I agree, PCCs will need to hit the ground running and be a couple of steps ahead of the more wily Chief Constables (or is 'wily CC' a tautology!?) <br />- PCCs will require extra resources methinks - as the current plans seem to include a body not dissimilar from existing PAs as well. As such they are an extra. Time will tell if the extra they cost will bring valuable benefits in terms of effectiveness and efficiency <br />- absolutely agree - we need to boost truly proactive policing - and not just call reactive policing by another name. Never forget that the NIM was introduced with no research into its effectiveness in Kent in its previous incarnation. I know that Cardiff have done some research into the NIM since - but I am not sure how much... <br />- Peter Neyroud's work was only ever going to part of the story - I would expect he would agree with me on that. But I absolutely stand by his recommendation that policing should be a reflective and evidence based profession. <br />- again - agree - we need to find ways of introducing more public debate and action on the key dilemmas facing policing as representative democracy often does fall short <br />- I think PCCs offer an opportunity to refresh how the police service 'sees' its publics - and whilst practical operational & day to day policing must not be politicised - the decisions about where to deploy resources are reasonably within the domain political discourse. Just as with health - it is a political decision to invest in either more machines that go ping or more chiropody for older people (for example). <br />- rest of the CJS - possibly - should we be electing judges too? (Lights blue touch paper.....) <br /><br />Thanks for all your comments.Jon Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792245973965010468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post-3981588446663863462011-08-28T13:36:37.366+01:002011-08-28T13:36:37.366+01:00Dr Huw Evans has also responded on his blog - go h...Dr Huw Evans has also responded on his blog - go here for his thoughts and my response.<br /><br />http://wildkippers.blogspot.com/2011/08/response-to-jon-harveys-blog.htmlJon Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792245973965010468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post-33276840552507395372011-08-28T12:44:44.931+01:002011-08-28T12:44:44.931+01:00Thanks for your comment Anon. I would say in respo...Thanks for your comment Anon. I would say in response that I did not say that I "feel that it is police culture not to want to prevent crime". I think there is a clear wish in police culture to do this as it very important as you highlight - but often the resources do not follow this desire. Also I observe that the 'Crime Prevention Officer' roles are often not given as much status as that of criminal investigation for example.Jon Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792245973965010468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5803417947002730808.post-3796262848904559522011-08-27T17:31:54.608+01:002011-08-27T17:31:54.608+01:00I don't know why you feel that it is police cu...I don't know why you feel that it is police culture not to want to prevent crime? After the preservation of life it's the most important thing that we doAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com